National Camp School - Boy Scouts of America

Last month I went to National Camp School.

The purpose of the National Camping School is to provide a learning experience and training for adults related to the operation of council resident camps. The key staff members will in turn have the responsibility of training and supervising other staff personnel in your council camping program.  It is a comprehensive training on all aspects of the day camp operation, including methods of day camping, program scheduling and resources, staff organization, recruiting and training, and health and safety protection.

It was a lot of fun to attend with about 30 other adults that have either run a Cub Scout Day Camp and need to be retrained or need to be trained so they can run a Day Camp this summer.  I have been helping as the Webelos Director for the Grand Canyon Council Day Camp for 4 years.  This year the Camp Director has asked me to assist her in her duties.

For more information about the camp clock here.

Both of my kids have been helping for the past two years and might be taking some key roles at camp this year.  I am so proud of them.

Tips for Camping

My hope is that this will be an expanding topic for me as I find more information about how to better go out camping. Gear, tips and tricks, locations, weather, etc. will "limit" my scope of this post.

Thank you REI for the first link.
Camping Tips: Sleeping Well

Family Camping Checklist

Just watched this video about water and water bottles. I thought the content was good but I need to see more of the data to really understand it.

Math - what are these people talking about......

I have kids in school and for the first few years in school I was trying to figure out what they were doing to solve basic math problems.

After watching this video I have a few answers to those questions.

Please take the time to watch this video - it's worth it.

Where did the summer go?

I've been pretty busy with school for the kids, Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, and another venture I've been researching.

Found out the Arizona Hemophilia Association(AHA) joined the HFA. That move will definitely give our hemophilia community access to more programs in Arizona. I was asked what the difference between NHF and HFA was. Easy answer - NHF is industry driven and HFA is community driven. Can't wait to see some of HFA's programs in action.....

AHA is hiring a Transition Counselor for our teen population. They want to have the position filled by the end of January 2010 or before. This person will be the most important person for our hemophilia kids in Arizona and how this person starts the program will determine if the program will work (the kids are the jury on this one).

The boy scouts are currently spending all their time at a Christmas Tree Lot. Our troop sell Christmas tree so they can go on their summer adventure trip. If you live in the Phoenix Valley please consider getting you Christmas tree @ 14th St and Northern. Tree lot hours are 3-9 Mon - Friday and 10-9ish Sat and Sun. Tress are reasonably priced and they have Douglas Fir (5' to 8') and Noble Fir (5' to 9').

Poem

I was given a copy of this poem from my pastor. We had a group dicusion on what each line ment to us and what it says about our society.

What do you think? I'm ready for a dicussion if you are......

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THE INVITATION by Orian Mountain Dreamer

It doesn't interest me what you do for a living. I want to know what you ache for, and if you dare to dream of meeting your heart's longing.

It doesn't interest me how old you are. I want to know if you will risk looking like a fool for love, for your dream, for the adventure of being alive.

It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon. I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow, if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shriveled and closed from fear of further pain! I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own, without moving to hide it or fade it, or fix it.

I want to know if you can be with joy, mine or your own, if you can dance with wildness and let the ecstasy fill you to the tips of your fingers and toes without cautioning us to be careful, to be realistic, to remember the limitations of being human.

It doesn't interest me if the story you are telling me is true. I want to know if you can disappoint another to be true to yourself; if you can bear the accusation of betrayal and not betray your own soul; if you can be faithless and therefore trustworthy.

I want to know if you can see beauty even when it's not pretty, every day, and if you can source your own life from its presence.

I want to know if you can live with failure, yours and mine, and still stand on the edge of the lake and shout to the silver of the full moon, "Yes!"

It doesn't interest me to know where you live or how much money you have. I want to know if you can get up, after the night of grief and despair, weary and bruised to the bone, and do what needs to be done to feed the children.

It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here. I want to know if you will stand in the center of the fire with me and not shrink back.

It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied. I want to know what sustains you, from the inside, when all else falls away.

I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like the company you keep in the empty moments.

By Oriah Mountain Dreamer

copyright © 1999 by Oriah Mountain Dreamer.

July - the Hottest on Record

Lucky for me I wasn't in town for most of the HEAT.

Spent for first week of the month in San Diego. Great 4th of July at the beach. Collected Pooka shells, played in the surf, watched many sunsets, watch the fireworks.

Spent the next week in town. Don't remember what I did.....

Spent the next two weeks in the Pacific Northwest with family. Did a lot of work at mom's house. Bottle some wine. Went to the Oregon Brewers Festival - they had 80 different breweries there. Only made it through 28 of the brews. They give 4 ounces per taste. So that's 28x4 oz = 112 ounces. Split that between 3 people still means I didn't drive home. Thank God for lightrail! Went Sport Clay Shooting with my dad and brother. Kind of like golf but with shotguns. A higher score is better. Out of a possible 100 I know I hit at least 25 clays. Picked Blueberries and made jam - bought Marrionberries and made jam. Watched Chicken TV every night I could. Took the family to Detroit Lake with a friend of my dad's and went wake boarding, surfing, and intertubing off their ski boat. New for my kids - they loved it. OH, I almost for got ....... It was darn HOT in Portland while we were there. Not as hot as Phoenix but Portland's humidity made up for it.

Next week the kids go back to school and life returns to "NORMAL"

Cub Scout Day Camp

Wow. Have I been busy......

Just got finished with Boy Scouts of America, Grand Canyon Council, Heard Scout Pueblo Cub Scout Day Camp. I was the Webelos Director for the camp and taught over 900 Webelos the Scientist pin.

Each year the camp has a theme - this year's theme was Pirates of the Pueblo. I was Captain No-Black Beard. Day camp started on May 28th and finished on June 27th. The sessions are 3 days long and each day starts at 3 pm and finished about 9:30 pm. Total number of cub scouts at camp is set at 300 boys per session.

Want to get more info about Cub Scout Day Camp, click here.

I had a blast!!!

It's a dry heat!!

Yea, Right! It's May and we hit 107 on Monday.

Very busy weekend.....

Kids were confirmed and baptized. It's Norway's Constitution Day (May 17th). The 138th NRA Annual Meeting was in town. We had 3 separate baseball games to watch. Took the family out to Spaghetti Factory after church. We were going to go to the Desert Botanical Gardens to see Chihuly.

Ooooo - We are going peach picking tomorrow at Schnepf's Farm.

It's going to be a busy summer............

Twinkie - Myth and what is it really made of?

I ran across an article in the Journal of Clinical Reasearch.

"Twinkie, deconstructed" a book by Steve Ettlinger. The review can be found here. The Author's website can be found here.

The wording under the title will either make you want to read it or put it on your never ever ready list.

Twinkie, Deconstructed: My Journey to Discover How the Ingredients Found in Processed Foods Are Grown, Mined (Yes, Mined), and Manipulated Into What America Eats

Well, will you read it?

Home prices

Home prices - are they still too high? take a look at the video. I like numbers. How correct are they? watch the 6 minute video

Let's get a show of hands..... Who thought the home prices were out of control in the first place? Now that we have so much invested in these over priced homes, do we need to make sure the air doesn't leave the bubble?

What did "we" do to inflate the housing prices as high as they were? Is it truly every man's right to own a home? Economics is a roller coaster - if you liked the ride up you'll definitely scream on the way down. Supply and demand - I still remember my economics classes (I'm a visual person so I can still see the charts when I close my eyes). Someone in America manipulated the demand curve by lowering the standard of who can get a loan. Who has the ability to tell the banks to make risky loans to people who don't qualify. It's not the banks - bankers are calculating people who don't take chances (I've met too many "Banker" personalities, I know the type).

Most people who work in the housing market their whole lives know this was going to happen. they just thought it was going to happen 5+ years ago. The fact that it didn't is what is going to make this fall so much fun. IMHO the housing market is going to over correct. Unlike what it did in the 80's, it's going to go bellow the 100K mark. Wait an see and be ready when the time come to jump back on the ride we call capitalism.

I'm sorry.

I told my youngest son just that last week.

I'm sorry our generation is not fixing the financial problem he and his kids will be dealing with.

I'm sorry health insurance is non-functional.

I'm sorry I don't have all the answers.

I'm sorry I can't always spend all the time I can with you.

I'm sorry you rights are being slowly taken from us.

What would you say to your child?

comments are welcome.

Government HELP

This entire article is taken word for word from the link at the bottom of the post. I didn't feel like add or changing one word - It's information I wanted to pass of for discussions sake. I am concerned that we are doing too much too fast and all I see is a TV show where the "boss" is signing a mountain of paper and not looking at what is being signed and someone slipped in their own agenda in the pile. I know it's a daunting task to know what we are going, but I can't give. I won't let myself give up on my rights to know what my government is doing to "HELP" me. If I want universal healthcare why does it have to be stuck in a stimulus plan? Seems fishy to me.....

Another health care note of concern is something buried deep into the House version of the stimulus bill (you can view that text here). On pages 445, 454 and 479 the economic stimulus package will create a National Coordinator of Health Information to look into your health care. Yes, the federal government will be taking over. And it’s attached to the stimulus bill. This has former Senator and one time front runner to head the Department of Health and Human Services Tom Daschle’s foot prints all over it. Wow. This is scary. Daschle wrote a book called Critical: What we Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis. The Senate is trying to sneak this through without the public knowledge. It doesn’t surprise me, but it is still amazing. Daschle wrote in his book, “the issue (of health care) is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.” Thanks for the consideration Tom. Once again, it looks like the elected to serve “We The People” are screwing us.

In another part of Critical, Daschle admits his solution will create some pain. For instance, the health care system shouldn’t always pay for care for the elderly. No. I’m serious. Page 464 of the stimulus bill would change Medicare from paying for “treatments deemed safe and effective” to “apply a cost-effectiveness standard set by the Federal Code.” This means health care among seniors could be rationed. Are we sure we want to rush and pass this bill? For more read this story from Bloomberg.

Taken from: http://ktar.net/blogs/dankarlo/category/on-air-log/ February 10, 2009

Had a job? Lost a job!

I was called on December 5th just after I finished a conference call with the education department. It was my boss - TODAY was my last day working for the company. Boss even asked me if I would have rather been let know on Monday or Friday? Who cares, I was being canned!

WOW, not what I expected! I've seen a few people get fired. Here is what I thought would happen if I ever got let go.....

Boss calls and tells you he is going to come by and see you tomorrow. When boss gets there he is accompanied by another person if employee being let go is female. The visit always happens on a Monday or a Friday. Boss would have some paperwork for me to fill out for the termination.

Now that I am unemployed, what am I suposed to do with all the organizations they sugested I volunteer for? I am going to finish the tasks I said I would do with the organizations I am volunteer for. It's my name on the line and the organizations are worthwhile.

Does it suck that I lost my job? Yes
Do I wonder what I am going to do next? YES
Am I lost and wondering how I am going to make ends meet? No
What am I going to do next? I don't know - Find a job.
What is the biggest concern of mine? Health Insurance!

Best part, they are transfering someone from another part of the country into Arizona. I'll have to meet the new guy sometime.

NFH Denver 2008

What an event! Our family had a great time. The factor company evening events were well attended and fun. The best in my mind was The CSL Game Face event. CSL had 11 Wiis they were giving away to the winner of 5 Wii games. The games were: swimming, golf, basketball, baseball, and bowling. The kids were separated by age (12 and under, and 13 to 18) and only kids with bleeding disorders were able to win. Once the event was started all the kids played the Wii games and the CSL reps kept track of high scores. At the end of the GAMES all the kids that played received a "gold" medal. Then, the winners of the individual Wii games were called up on the stage and awarded a Wii console. The 11th Wii was drawn from the attendants and given away.

I tried my feet at Dance Dance Revolution that evening. I don't know how they do it. I got boo-ed of the stage for missing too many steps.

Val Bias is our new CEO. I think it's a good pick. He has a vested interest in the betterment of our cause. I did hear a few things that concern me. Is he going to champion hemophilia or broaden the umbrella of our "cause" to include all blood disorders. He did comment of the safety of our blood supply. We have an interest in the blood supply being clean, but should "we" take on that cause? I don't know!? I also don't know about the joining of the local chapters. What's in it for me? What is in it for us? Do all the chapters need the same thing? the only thing I know for sure is.....
I don't want to be like the American Liver Foundation
The ALF is not much more than a money making local chapters for the national organization. They have a lot of national clout but what do they do for the local community. I haven't seen much and I don't want our Local Hemophilia Chapter to be money making chapters with no programming for the community.

I'll take a wait and see approach with Val - I've seen him in person before NHF Denver and I like what I hear. What is his slant? What is he going to do shake things up to validate him being appointed to CEO?

WOW that was a deviation from the topic...... back on point. I didn't see HFA at one of the booths. Anyone know why the Hemophilia Federation of America was not there?

The morning symposiums were great. The Wyeth breakfast on "It Takes A Village" was excellent. It was great to hear how some HTC use families to support other new families. Our HTC does not do this - I've asked. I wish we could have had a mentor family we could have called for the little challenges in life. Wyeth had two families come and describe what they did to help each other through life with hemophilia. I'd like my son to have a mentor and one day to be a mentor.

I love going to these national events. WHY? I learn so much about other communities and families. What they do and How they do it? An informed consumer is better for the community than an uniformed one. We can be more of a pain in the ass to the Association and HTC. I understand that they, the Association and HTC, want to do things the way they always have done it, but if it doesn't work, why not change how your doing it.

That last paragraph was crude and not well thought out. The overall idea is there.

What an I putting on my body?

Ever want to know what those long words we can't pronounce on the back our shampoo, toothpaste, makeup, soap, or other consumer products we use every day?

Here is a site that ranks the chemicals from 0(low hazard) to 10(high hazard). I don't know how they have done the ranking but it's a tool to discover what we are using on and in our bodies.

Click here - SKIN DEEP then type the ingredient you want to know more about or you can type the product name.

For example:
Water has a score of 0.
Barbasol Shaving Cream W/ Aloe Vera has a score of 5.
Jason natural cosmetics satin soap has a score of 5.
Benzene has a score of 10.

Thanks to Miryam (mama o' the matrices) for showing me this website.

Bottled Water is contaminated!??

In a two year study, a lab tests detected 38 chemicals in only 10 sampled brands. An average of 8 contaminants were found in each kind of bottled water. Contaminants include: coliform, bacteria, caffeine, acetaminophen, fertilizer, solvents, a radioactive element (strontium), chlorine byproducts, and plastic-making chemicals.

Other chemicals also found were arsenic, toluene, trihalomethanes. Go ahead and look up the ones you don't know anything about.

ARSENIC - A poison. TOLUENE - Cannot be excreted by regular means, so it must be metabolized by the body. 5% of the product is made into products that severely damage cells. TRIHALOMETHANES(THM) - Garbage term for chemical compounds in which three of the four hydrogen atoms of methane (CH4) are replaced by halogen atoms, like fluorine, chlorine, bromine, or iodine. Chloroform is the best known. Many THMs are carcinogenic - cause cancer.

Some of these contaminants came from pollutants often found in tap water. The Federal legal limit for THM is 80 parts per million(ppm), California has a limit of 10 ppm. Both Wal-Mart and Giant Food exceeded the International Bottled Water Association limit of 10 ppm. Wal-Mart's Sam's Choice water and Acadia of Giant Food supermarkets were over 35 ppm for THM. Wal-Mart also exceeded California's standard for a second chlorine byproduct, bromodichloromethane by five times.

Since chlorine is used as a disinfectant for tap water and bottled water is nothing more that tap water in a bottle, chlorine byproducts in bottled tap water should be expected. There are no better regulations on bottled water than that of tap water. Why are we are just willing to pay 1,900 times the cost for bottled tap water than we would pay for tap water.

My suggestion: Buy a filter for your sink or your house.

Just remember:

BUY a filter or BE a filter.

I'd rather buy a filter.

Bedbug Infestations on the Rise, Tough to Kill

This is nothing more that a direct copy and past - no credit is taken for a single word in this post. The phrase "don't let the bedbugs bite." takes on new meaning to me. After reading this article I have lots of questions.

The Columbus Dispatch By Elizabeth Gibson October 01, 2008

The red splotches and scabs along his arms make Colton Oser look like he's suffered a nasty case of chicken pox, but the itchy 3-year-old in Whitehall actually has been attacked by an infamous nighttime monster.

Bedbugs are on the rise across the country, and experts warn that central Ohio needs to start looking into a comprehensive control program before infestations spiral out of control.

"If you bury your head in the sand, you're going to get bitten, and it's just going to get worse and worse," said Susan Jones, an entomology professor at Ohio State University.

With a bedbug-awareness bill in the Ohio House and Cincinnati still recovering from infestation, Franklin County officials say they're just starting to look beyond case-by-case management.

"We need to step it up," said Charlie Broschart, supervisor for Franklin County community environmental health.

After a co-worker attended a conference on bedbugs in Cincinnati, Broschart said, they spent Monday morning brainstorming ways to make people more aware of the problem.

Bedbugs had been nearly eliminated from the U.S. in the 1950s, but they've sneaked back thanks to international travel and a ban on harsher pesticides such as DDT.

The county started counting bedbug complaints about a year ago as calls increased, but Broschart said there has yet to be a comprehensive effort to collect and analyze information on bedbugs in central Ohio.

There's also the matter of who is responsible.

"The question is: Is it a public-health issue or not?" Columbus Health Department spokesman Jose Rodriguez said. "Bedbugs are really looked upon as a nuisance issue."

OSU's Jones, however, said scabbing, secondary infections and the anxiety caused by fearing your own bed are serious health concerns.

Code enforcement handles individual complaints, but Jones recommends a centralized master plan.

She suggested a task force that combines the expertise of pest-control, health, code-enforcement and housing agencies. Trends would be easier to spot with all the complaints and treatment numbers in one place, and a task force also could coordinate a publicity campaign to tell people how to stop the spread of bedbugs.

People should seal infested furniture in plastic before disposing of it; travelers ought to check hotel beds for pests; and exterminators need to know that bedbugs are harder to kill than most insects, experts said.

Jones works with a similar task force in Hamilton County. The group was launched after the Cincinnati Health Department received 737 bedbug complaints in 2007 -- the same number as for mice, rats and roaches combined.

The Cincinnati department is requesting $348,000 for bedbug education and inspections for 2009, Assistant Health Commissioner Camille Jones said.

The agency's home page is crawling with bedbug videos, warning labels for furniture and the number for a bedbug hot line.

Columbus's health department released its own tip list in March as bedbug calls started coming in.

Ohio State University emptied 114 rooms in Jones Graduate Tower last year for bedbug control, and the Columbus Metropolitan Housing Authority has identified 124 infested residences so far this year. It also treated 500 surrounding housing units to keep the bugs from spreading, Director of Public Housing Claude Nesbit said.

He said his agency needs to double its extermination budget.

Regular pest control in one apartment costs about $60, but bedbug treatments cost $300, he said. Bedbugs require repeat visits and thorough spraying because the pests hitchhike on humans, rapidly reproduce and fit into the smallest cracks.

Clutter makes it difficult to find the bugs, so it's hard to contain infestations in areas where people don't have the resources to clear out their homes, experts said.

The problem isn't limited to low-income apartment complexes, but complaints are more likely to reach officials in those cases because they take the form of landlord-tenant disputes.

The county, for instance, identified two bedbug infestations at an apartment building at 4218 Rickenbacker Ave. in November.

Broschart said it seemed to get better with a little pest control, but calls picked up again this summer.

After an order from the board of health, the landlord hired Orkin to start a new round of treatment Monday. By this point, Colton Oser's mother, who has an apartment there, had started collecting the bugs in a bottle and naming them.

Who attends Bedbug conferences? I missed it on 8/14/08 @ 8AM at the Duke Energy Center, but more than 400 people showed up - Camille Jones and Chirley Clauss did. Click here to see the video! Who wants to be on the Bedbug Task Force(BTF)?Dale Mallory and Coroner O’dell Owens, to name a few Who is the expert on Bedbugs? Tiffaney Hardy What is the Bedbug hot line number? (513) 591-6000

Want to go to the website dedicated to bedbugs? click here for disturbing photos and facts about bedbugs. Want to find out if you have them or want a trap to get rid of them? Click here

Hemophilia Walk Arizona 2008

ARIZONA RAISE OVER $37,000

Chaparral Park is a 100-acre park constructed in the Indian Bend Wash, providing a lush greenbelt with a 10-acre lake for urban fishing and boating. The park is located in Scottsdale Arizona and shares recreation path system that is ideal for running, walking, biking, and rollerblading. For a map of Chaparral Park, click here. The walk started at the Central Ramada just South of the Jackrabbit Road enterance. The walk continued around to the West side of the lake. The course circled the lake path counterclockwise twice and finished just north of the Multi-use Court.

The event was Nationally sponsored by Baxter, Bayer HealthCare, CSL Behring, Grifols, and Wyeth. The local Sponsors were CSL Behring, Valley of the Sun United Way, Wells Fargo, AZVerveVending, and VitaminWater.

The goals of our team was to raise awareness of Hemophilia within our community and city. Our goal was to get 100 people on our team, we came up a little short. We didn't have the most colorful shirts, see picture. Our team was easy to find in a croud.

We all had fun and were invited to a post walk party at Firesky Resort. It is a beautiful resort in central Scottsdale.

I would like to thank all the sponsors and participants for helping raise the awareness of Hemophilia in Arizona. Next YEAR - 100.

Chickenpox Parties and Fluoride

Not that these two things have anything in common with each other. They do to me. I have an opinion on both of them.

Chickenpox Parties

Questions: Do you trust what "everyone" says about vaccines? Do you ask what are the motives behind what people and companies say? Do you do any research on what others have told you?

Statements:

immunity the old-fashioned way, by catching the disease from an infected child and muddling through weeks of itchiness. Such chickenpox parties were also held in the pre-vaccine era because some experts argued it was safest for kids to get the disease early in life, when the effects tend to be relatively mild.

Getting kids infected can be harder than parents assume, experts said. Chickenpox is most contagious during a period of slightly more than one week, beginning a few days before lesions appear and lasting until scabs form on the chickenpox sores.

One recent study found that 70 percent of people hospitalized for chickenpox complications were otherwise healthy.

I wonder about this statistic. What percentage of people who get chickenpox are hospitalized and how old are they?

Read the entire article here.

Fluoride

Questions: Is Fluoride good for you? How is it made? Are there any side effects? What is a TOXIC dose? Why aren't all cities putting Fluoride in their water? Do all dentist recommend Fluoride for their patients?

Statements:

Fluoride in higher concentrations is a potent poison. In 1952, the Alcoa (AMEX:AA.PR) (NYSE:AA) aluminum plant in Vancouver, Washington was found to have illegally dumped up to 7,000 pounds of fluoride compound wastes into the Columbia River each month. The chemical contaminated the surrounding grass and forage and resulted in injury and death to cattle, according to a report in the Seattle Times.

Vancouver, Washington uses pure granular sodium fluoride to treat its water supply.

But the fluoride added to most public drinking water supplies, a compound called hydrofluorosilic acid, comes from phosphate fertilizer plants, where it is stripped from smokestack scrubbers that also capture trace amounts of heavy metals such as lead, arsenic and radium. If it weren't put into drinking water, it would be treated as toxic waste.

O.K. picture this one........ Hydrophuorosilic acid is a by product of a fertilizer plant. They collect it by scraping it from smokestacks along with lead, arsenic and radium. Great picture - now let's put that in our water, otherwise it will just go to waste. RECYCLE!

Employees who work with fluoride must wear protective clothing and respirators. A 1998 study by the International Society for Fluoride Research, published in the journal Brain Research, found that laboratory rats given fluoridated drinking water at the same concentrations used in public water systems suffered brain and kidney damage.

In 1999, a union representing 1,500 scientists, lawyers, engineers and other professional employees of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency called for an end to fluoridation of drinking water, saying the practice "borders on a criminal act" on the part of government. EPA scientists cited scientific literature documenting "the increasingly out-of-control exposures to fluoride," the lack of benefits from ingesting fluoride and the potential hazards to human health, including the risk of kidney damage, gene mutations, cancer, reproductive effects, damage to bones and the nervous system, and dental fluorosis.

In 2006, Harvard researchers published a multiyear study reporting that exposure to fluoride at levels considered optimum by the American Dental Association increased the risk of bone cancer in boys by more than 500 percent.

Also in 2006, a report from the National Research Council recommended that the EPA lower its standard for naturally occurring fluoride, which is currently 4 parts per million per liter of water. The council cited adverse impacts including increased bone fractures and damage to neurological, immune and reproductive systems. Based on that report, the American Dental Association issued a new warning against the use of fluoridated water in infant formula, which was echoed by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.

Melody Scheer, oral health coordinator for Clark County, said "If a child swallows toothpaste, or takes too many vitamin pills, that is where you can get an overdose."

Read the entire article here. I don' know if this is an argument for Fluoride or against it. Does that mean if my kids are drinking the water and using Fluoride toothpaste at the same time they can get an overdose. What is the dosage needed for a 50 pound kid? WANT THE ANSWER - scroll down.

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Sodium Fluoride: The LD50 for a rat is 75 MG/KG if given orally. LD 50 means the amount of a substance needed to be a lethal dose for 50% of the test population. For a 50 pound rat one would need 1.7 grams or 0.059 ounces.

The LDL for a human is 71 mg/kg in given orally. LDL mean lowest lethal dose. Sodium Fluoride is class 6.1 Poisonous Material for the DOT (Department of Transportation). Looking for the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS).

Hydrofluorosilic Acid:M There is no LD50 for this chemical. The DOT marks it as a Class 8 Corrosive liquid. Looking for the MSDS. We can use this chemical to etch glass!

The toxic dose of fluoride for a 2-year-old child weighing 22 pounds is 320 milligrams. Toxic fluoride doses are based on weight, and a toxic dose of fluoride for an 8-year-old child weighing 45 pounds is 655 milligrams. In comparison, an 8-ounce glass of water fluoridated to 1 part per million contains 0.25 milligrams of fluoride.

Taken from Colgate.